Curse

Tender Wolf · Sep 07, 2007, 04:10 AM // 04:10

Okay I've seen everyone saying various things that need to be changed in the Hall of Monuments, so I thought I'd make a whole new post that covers everything in there. Here's what we have so far:

1.)Monument of Fellowship (heroes/pets)

Only heroes with ascended (changed) armor can be displayed. Some people prefer a hero's starter armor over the upgrades. And some heroes can only have new armor from the harder challenge missions, which are also more expensive.
Only the black moa, black widow, and phoenix pets are displayed as their own statue and labeled as what they are. All others are displayed as a statue with a wolf, bear, and lynx labeled Animal Companion.
You can only have 5 statues at a time, but you can't pick exactly which 5 when you rearrange them. It's always random.

2.)Monument of Valor (weapons)

Only high end weapons obtained from GWEN can be added. This does not include end game weapons, and even some golds can't be added. It's only Destroyer ones, and they customize to your character, without the added 20% damage bonus that other customized weapons do. And they all have the same inscription ("Strength and Honor, damage +15% while health above 50%) and I don't know that they can be changed. Plus they're gonna be pricey, as they take 5k alone to make, plus 10 onyx gemstones and 10 diamonds. The others are common materials.

3.)Monument of Honor (titles)

Only maxed out titles can be displayed. Not everyone wants to grind to get max titles. And the Survivor one? It's hard to become Legendary Survivor. I've seen very few people with that title. Norn/Asura/Agent titles? They only give rep points one at a time for each creature slain. That could take forever...
PVP-only titles have to be a certain rank (I believe rank 8 for hero, rank 3 for others) before they're displayed at all.

4.)Monument of Resilience (armor)

Not that big of a problem, but only high-end/elite armor can be displayed. This includes Marhan's Grotto, Granite Citadel, Vabbian, Elite Sunspear, Elite Kurzick/Luxon, Ancient, Primeval, and Imperial (end game Factions). Sounds like a lot of choices, but the prices are high for some people. And some may be content with just the "low-end" armor.

5.)Monument of Devotion (mini pets)

Any mini pet can be added, but it's automatically customized to the character that added it. It should be account-wide, not character-based.

Okay, there you have it! And in addition to the Monument of Fellowship, I think it would also be cool if a hero's pet could be like molded onto the hero's statue so it would be one big statue. I realize that could take a lot of work and frankly I'm okay without it, but I have a different pet for each of my character's heroes, so I think it would be cool.

I realize that ANet is working on Guild Wars 2, and I'm looking forward to it, but from what I understand, the Hall of Monuments gives us some kind of bonus in Guild Wars 2. Like our characters there can take out our weapons, armor, minis, etc. and use them from our Hall of Monuments. I collect green weapons and I'd love to have them on display. They're the only weapons I use. I have a lot of gold weapons but I have them for sale on my store and I bet they don't count as high-end weapons. Therefore my Guild Wars 2 characters will be defenseless unless something good drops in there. So I think they should fix at least some of the things, if not all, mentioned above. Who's with me?!

Dryndalyn · Sep 10, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Changes…this is my opinion only and is only what I feel. I certainly do not represent all of the other players.

First of all, an introduction of the standpoint that I am coming from: I do not have a single character (of my 30 characters) that has finished Nightfall or Prophesies yet. I have finished Factions with 3, I think, or maybe 4 now. Except for the last month and ½, I have played GWs almost everyday since the release of Factions, which was my first online gaming experience in my life. I have so many characters that getting anywhere is slow since they all go up together and I play different ones depending on my mood that day.

Prior to that, my gaming experience consisted of entirely of self-customizable RPGs like Morrowind and Oblivion and NWN’s 1 and the Balder’s Gate series. I never played a MMORPH before and I never wrote on a forum before except once to post a download or two. So my take on this game is going to be different than a lot of peoples'.

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1.) Monument of Fellowship (heroes/pets)
• Only heroes with ascended (changed) armor can be displayed. Some people prefer a hero's starter armor over the upgrades. And some heroes can only have new armor from the harder challenge missions, which are also more expensive.

I don’t mind this one because I plan to keep going in Nightfall. However, I have no idea how far this trek will be. I have one character pretty close to the end and still have not seen Hero Ascended armor yet.

• Only the black moa, black widow, and phoenix pets are displayed as their own statue and labeled as what they are. All others are displayed as a statue with a wolf, bear, and lynx labeled Animal Companion.

This one is kind of a biggy for me. Animal companions are an extension of the beast master. The pet and master are one. Without my pet, my ranger can run away but that’s about it. Besides, spiders are creepy, and well, I’m a cat person. I don’t like birds. I will not change my pet just because of some reward given for GW2.

In fact, I don’t mind getting zero reward in GW2 due to not having the difficult to obtain Animal Companion. But, when the time comes, I still would appreciate seeing my own beloved pet and his name there. After all, my pet is the one that did all the work to get to the HoM in the first place. All my ranger did was stand back and shout at it.

• You can only have 5 statues at a time, but you can't pick exactly which 5 when you rearrange them. It's always random.

Having not visited HoM yet, I don’t fully understand what this means, but I have to admit that I dislike almost anything that is ‘random.’

2.) Monument of Valor (weapons)
• Only high end weapons obtained from GWEN can be added. This does not include end game weapons, and even some golds can't be added. It's only Destroyer ones, and they customize to your character, without the added 20% damage bonus that other customized weapons do. And they all have the same inscription "Strength and Honor, damge +15% while health above 50%) and I don't know that they can be changed. Plus they're gonna be pricey, as they take 5k alone to make, plus 10 onyx gemstones and 10 diamonds. The others are common materials.

I may be in the minority, but I’m not too picky about this one. I use mostly celestial weapons and had no expectations whatsoever that GW2 would have celestial weapons for use by my future GW2 characters.
Besides, I horde almost every weapon I find anyway, preferring to give them to my heroes as opposed to lamely having to stand around and sell them. My patience for sales is one minute long. So if I have to carry an extra weapon that I find to the HoM, it’s no big deal to me. It doesn’t mean that I have to use that weapon.

3.) Monument of Honor (titles)
• Only maxed out titles can be displayed. Not everyone wants to grind to get max titles. And the Survivor one? It's hard to become Legendary Survivor. I've seen very few people with that title. Norn/Asura/Agent titles? They only give rep points one at a time for each creature slain. That could take forever...

I’m slooowly working on a few Legendary Survivors (at rank 1 only so far). I also have some Lightbringers (at ranks 3 and 4 and one at 5 maybe) and seeker of wisdom (rank 2). I am also working on my Luck title (at rank 2), but that’s so I can open chests and attempt to role-play a rogue-like character.
Anyway, I already anticipated that we’d have to max out our titles before we could display them at the HoM.

And because I have so many characters that I love equally, with no favorites and no ‘main’ character, I concluded long ago that getting any of these characters' titles into the HoM in time for it’s release was pretty much hopeless. Therefore, I just plug along as usual, doing titles for the sake of role-playing. Eventually. I will get my titles maxed out and then proceed to the HoM, but it’s impossible to rush it. I bought too many accounts and can’t keep up with most other players because of that. But I love all my characters, so I guess there’s no regrets.

• PVP-only titles have to be a certain rank (I believe rank 8 for hero, rank 3 for others) before they're displayed at all.

I don’t do PvP often enough – so no comment here…

4.) Monument of Resilience (armor)
• Not that big of a problem, but only high-end/elite armor can be displayed. This includes Marhan's Grotto, Granite Citadel, Vabbian, Elite Sunspear, Elite Kurzick/Luxon, Ancient, Primeval, and Imperial (end game Factions). Sounds like a lot of choices, but the prices are high for some people. And some may be content with just the "low-end" armor.

I go shopping for armor I like. I do not care if the armor is less expensive and am somewhat dismayed when it is out of my budget, but I will sometimes try for it anyway.

Also, mixing and matching clothes is my all time favorite part of the game (no surprise – I’m a girl!). I also love shoe shopping. I have picked out all the shoes that I want and they do not necessarily come with the other mix of clothes that I have picked out for each character. Thus far, I haven’t come close to getting all my characters' final outfits, so that is actually my number 2 goal (my number one goal is to finish my legendary survivors so that they can go and get the clothes I want for them).

I wanted Gwen mostly because it came with new armor sets (the other reason was to explore it). I don’t mind if they are not the greatest. I am just happy for more clothes choices. And the glasses – I want those very much! Bring on the accessories!

In sum: There is no monument that will ever be important enough for me to stop shopping for the clothes I like. I will never buy my final outfit because of any other reason other than it being the outfit that suits my character best.

5.) Monument of Devotion (mini pets)
• Any mini pet can be added, but it's automatically customized to the character that added it. It should be account-wide, not character-based.

First and foremost, if it has not been done already, I think that the guinea pigs who beta tested Gwen should be able to revoke their mistakes and take back there accidental customizing of their mini pet if they want to. I am not against customizing a mini-pet to its owner if you have an option to take it back, delete the monument and start again.

When I play other computer games, I save the game every five minutes. It’s unnerving playing a game such as GWs that I can’t save. It makes me ultra cautious because I know that I am human and may get distracted by one of my ‘real-life’ cats or a phone call or what not and make a mistake. “Yes, God forbid a mistake!” I know. But loss of stuff is something that exists in real life. I try to escape real life mostly for reasons such as that.

Sure, there was a warning about the customization of the minipet. But people are excited. They are hasty. They are in an altered mental state. Maybe they trust Anet too much. Whatever. There are all sorts of reasons why one of the sneak preview beta testers would make an error and attach their mini-Gwen to a rarely used character. I think those guys deserve a chance to fix their mistake.

Other than that, for the rest of us, it’s good to know that there will be a customization of mini-pets ahead of time and therefore, the rest of us can choose far ahead of time, not to submit our mini-pet until later, like maybe next year or something.

Just so you don’t misunderstand: I do want the bonuses that I can get for GW2 at the HoM.

I have already purchased a copy of Gwen for each of my accounts and have not yet installed them yet because I don’t know exactly how it will affect the Prophesies terrain or campaign. I have not finished the original GWs and don’t know if it’s safe to mess with it or not by adding Gwen.

I just don’t want the HoM to become the main motivator at this point because it would take away from my role-playing and then the game would become too focused on some sort of exterior type of goal for my characters. I want Gwen so I can tour it. I heard that it was beautiful there.

Missmelady · Sep 10, 2007, 09:49 PM // 21:49

/signed
I 100% agree

clarke · Sep 10, 2007, 09:57 PM // 21:57

I think the monument of fellowship is fine, it is good that you should have to upgrade your heroes before they are displayed, heroes can be obtained from playing through the game, so thats not really an achievement.

The pet theory is fine imo, instead of just getting any easy pet, it displays elite pets which actually take some work to get.

The statue organisation should be player decided and not random i agree.

The Valor monument.... is completely silly as it excludes all elite weapons apart from destoryer ones, most destroyer weapons look rubbish :S at least tormented weapons and elite skins should be able to be shown.....

The title situation is ok, would be stupid if you get a silly little monument for 60% Tyrian Explorer for example. Although i think older players ( ones with main characters created before titles were implemented ) have been seriously disadvantaged title-wise, as it is impossible to get the survivor title or defender of ascalon on a character created before titles ( unless your david blaine and you met the title criteria before it was released

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The PvP title monuments are dandy, nice they have made them achieveable instead of unrealistic ( r9 champion and r12 hero = WTB Life please ) although the actuall monument for r8+ hero looks sh*te, who wants a picture of a map

it should be a big statue of balthazar or something cool for an impressive title.

Many people like to be creative with their armours and Anet should understand this, possibly once you have 2 armour sets in the hall , they should be mixable, sorting out the dye on armours would be nice also (i have a purply mix on my ranger primeval armour to match my tormented bow and have a bone coloured mask, now the mask just looks stupid cos its gone purple

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The minipet is currently being resolved i think (read a statement by Gaile)

on the whole i feel Anet has really listened to players complaints about the hall and adjusted it accordingly, eg with more realistic title boundaries etc. and i think Anet listens to its players and is hopefully working on the current problems highlighted.

Thank you for the improvements Anet, keep them coming

Ruby Lightheart · Sep 10, 2007, 09:57 PM // 21:57

im still ticked off that the dwarven ranger armor cannot be displayed yet Vanguard, and Asuran can.

Lucinda · Sep 10, 2007, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Just make it accessible for those of us who don't wish to create an RPG character to visit the HoM please. It REALLY should be accessible from the PvP screen if PvP titles are to be recognised...

Zexion · Sep 10, 2007, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Only problem I have with it: The Hero Armor one should show the hero armor as it looks on the hero. Not that stupid gold statue. And the "Animal Companion" thing is just stupid.

_Zexion

Hyper Cutter · Sep 10, 2007, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

1.)Monument of Fellowship (heroes/pets)

Only heroes with ascended (changed) armor can be displayed. Some people prefer a hero's starter armor over the upgrades. And some heroes can only have new armor from the harder challenge missions, which are also more expensive.
Only the black moa, black widow, and phoenix pets are displayed as their own statue and labeled as what they are. All others are displayed as a statue with a wolf, bear, and lynx labeled Animal Companion.
You can only have 5 statues at a time, but you can't pick exactly which 5 when you rearrange them. It's always random.

At the very least, if they're going to require heroes have an armor upgrade, show them wearing it on the statue... Also, that pet thing needs to be freaking fixed.

Valor needs to accept more weapons. Hell, let it accept anything, they've got plenty of time to work out how the HoM affects GW2...

CyberMesh0 · Sep 10, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

number one: gaile said before eotn even went live that they are looking into account wide mini customization

number two: hero armor? The endgame set is now pathetically cheap compared to the nightfall ones, and the other set isn't far behind.

number three: EotN titles taking forever? Duh, how else are they going to make it last? Besides, if you know where to look all of them have decent farming rates. The only thing missing there is HM for rank 9 and up.

The only fix I truly think is needed besides the aforementioned fix that's already being worked on, is the organization of stuff that can be displayed, the current system is dismal at best.

redstarx · Sep 10, 2007, 11:40 PM // 23:40

/signed

With..another suggestion.

I'd like to see HoM fixed to include the common armor pieces as well...my ambition to get Chaos gloves have been greatly diminished because I can't put it up on my wall. I like accessories (/highfives Dryndalyn) and looking at pretty things...so spending 75 ectos on a pair of gloves should count for something.

Chrono Re delle Ere · Sep 10, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

No, rly, how many new topic all-about-the-same-damn-thing are gonna be created in the near future? The HoM has already been widely discussed, and anet is looking forward it, and already fixed many things. You know what just I don't like atm? The fact that heroes statues are displayed with those ugly starter armors. That's all.

Darlichay Dalinar · Sep 11, 2007, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by Ruby Lightheart

im still ticked off that the dwarven ranger armor cannot be displayed yet Vanguard, and Asuran can.

Bear in mind: This is the same for every class... Dwarven was said to be a set to combine with other sets, just as a different look; that's it. Apparently this is being looked into and MAY be altered in the future, but nothing for sure yet.

Tadpole Lord · Sep 11, 2007, 04:01 AM // 04:01

I think this is a rediculous topic, the HoM has already been vastly improved after the preview weekend, and I think its just about right now, aside from the fact that deldrimor armor and such can't be displayed. I think the topic creator is angry because you cannot display stupid, rediculously easy to obtain things. Its for achievements, not randomly running around and being a noob.

Reflect · Sep 11, 2007, 06:31 AM // 06:31

/not signed
1.most pets must not be display-able at all, as they are easy to charm
2.Titles must be a little more challenging
3.1k armor???in HoM?? everyone can aford it it is pointless, if u can`t afford a 15k armor it is all ur problem

Gonzo · Sep 11, 2007, 07:32 AM // 07:32

My view on HoM is that you actually need to accomplisch something in order to display them. Which means most of your points are entirly /notsigned by me.

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1.)Monument of Fellowship (heroes/pets)

* Only heroes with ascended (changed) armor can be displayed. Some people prefer a hero's starter armor over the upgrades. And some heroes can only have new armor from the harder challenge missions, which are also more expensive.

You can still display your normal armor on the hero. However, just getting a hero is not quite the accomplisment.

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* Only the black moa, black widow, and phoenix pets are displayed as their own statue and labeled as what they are. All others are displayed as a statue with a wolf, bear, and lynx labeled Animal Companion.

The game has 3 elite pets, I'm glad the HoM treats them as such. (Well actually 4, rainbow phoenix being the elite pets among elite pets.

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* You can only have 5 statues at a time, but you can't pick exactly which 5 when you rearrange them. It's always random.

O dear god please fix this.

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2.)Monument of Valor (weapons)

* Only high end weapons obtained from GWEN can be added. This does not include end game weapons, and even some golds can't be added. It's only Destroyer ones, and they customize to your character, without the added 20% damage bonus that other customized weapons do. And they all have the same inscription "Strength and Honor, damge +15% while health above 50%) and I don't know that they can be changed. Plus they're gonna be pricey, as they take 5k alone to make, plus 10 onyx gemstones and 10 diamonds. The others are common materials.

Ofc they're prices they're endgame skins, however I would like to see the list of weapons that can be added expanded to add weapons such as Fellblades, IDS, FDS, Grinning Recurve Bow (I mean, it's a FoW exclusive skin) and others.

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3.)Monument of Honor (titles)

* Only maxed out titles can be displayed. Not everyone wants to grind to get max titles. And the Survivor one? It's hard to become Legendary Survivor. I've seen very few people with that title. Norn/Asura/Agent titles? They only give rep points one at a time for each creature slain. That could take forever...

Then don't display them, there's no need to record your titles, there's no need to grind them. However, if you decide to you can record your achievments (instead of stuff you just got along the way).

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* PVP-only titles have to be a certain rank (I believe rank 8 for hero, rank 3 for others) before they're displayed at all.

Again, see my remark about pve titles, it's applies here as well.

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4.)Monument of Resilience (armor)

* Not that big of a problem, but only high-end/elite armor can be displayed. This includes Marhan's Grotto, Granite Citadel, Vabbian, Elite Sunspear, Elite Kurzick/Luxon, Ancient, Primeval, and Imperial (end game Factions). Sounds like a lot of choices, but the prices are high for some people. And some may be content with just the "low-end" armor.

That may be, but lowend armor are not good enough to deserve a spot in the HoM.

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5.)Monument of Devotion (mini pets)

* Any mini pet can be added, but it's automatically customized to the character that added it. It should be account-wide, not character-based.

So basicly you want all your minipets in the HoM of all your characters? I just wish anybody could take out a customized minipet. But every character being able to add every minipet you own is just silly.

Basicly you want the HoM to be a collection of basicly anything you did without even trying, I see the HoM as a collection of stuff I actually tried or am going to try to do and put an efford into doing, instead of stuff I just stumbled upon. Anybody can get a 60% cartograph title by just playing the game, getting 100% is a lot of work and deserves to be displayed.

mcsumo · Sep 11, 2007, 08:27 AM // 08:27

I still haven't tried the HOM myself, but 1 thing is really worrying me. I recently bought, at great expense, a 14% always no neg shortbow. As far as I can tell it is the only one that exists in the entire game. Which makes it truly unique, unlike those green 'uniques', and the best damn shortbow in the game. If they tell me that isn't 'worthy' there is something seriously wrong.

I wouldn't even care about it not having any future benefit in GW2, just so long as Marcus Macsumo can show off his customised 1 of a kind weapon, which he farmed and slaved towards getting 860 ectos to buy.

Dryndalyn · Sep 11, 2007, 08:37 AM // 08:37

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Originally Posted by Reflect

/not signed
1.most pets must not be display-able at all, as they are easy to charm

Ok, well, I helped my partner get TWO Black Moas. I just stood there while he charmed the bird. But before that, I did just as much work to get to the darn thing. Incidentally, two of my ranger characters helped with that on two separate occasions. So technically, they have made the achievement, but just didn’t want the bird for themselves.

I have three beast master rangers – this means I have three pets – one orange tiger, one white tiger and one bear. I have a real weakness for cute, fat n’ furry, four legged creatures, especially cats.

My bear was hardest to get because I had to go deep into Lornar’s Pass to get it with my one ranger Survivor who just got to level 20. So it was tough because that area is difficult and I didn’t want to die. Also the bear resisted and was difficult to charm. My partner helped me with that as I had helped him get the Black Moa. Nevertheless, there were some close calls and it was a risk. But I wanted that darn bear because it was fat, furry and cute.

I have finished Factions and have stood next to the Phoenix several times, but as beautiful as it is, it’s still a bird. I don’t want a bird.

The only thing I have not done yet is stepped foot into the Underworld. But that is because I still have much to do in the other worlds. However, I will be going there eventually to get a Black Widow Spider because my partner wants one.

Therefore, because of the above mentioned examples, I am not sure how fair the achievement ruling is for the Animal Companion.

But here is my idea – how about a challenging mission or dungeon that exists for your animal companion to prove itself. If it is really difficult and you have to go through it several times before you succeed and you MUST go through it with your animal companion, well, then perhaps your pet will have earned the right to stand with the black moa, creepy spider and phoenix.

Either that or please make a couple of fat, perhaps even fluffier, elite tigers that are really hard to get. Put them in FOW or something. I don’t care where I have to go. I am not afraid of the task or work it takes to get an elite pet. I just don’t want to have a bird or a creepy spider. But I DO want my animal companion to be represented properly at the HoM, even if it doesn’t transfer to GW2.

-Loki- · Sep 11, 2007, 08:47 AM // 08:47

Fellowship: Yeah, pets of all types should be displayable. The 'elite' pets aren't all that much more difficult to obtain than normal pets, with the exception of the Rainbow Phoenix. Ascended Hero armour is pretty much expected, otherwise you are just adding heroes that you've unlocked, which is all of them.

Valor: Factions/Nightfall/EotN Endgame weapons, Destroyer weapons, Torment weapons should be displayable.

Honor: Maxed titles is expected, but needing KoaBD to display any at all is a bit much.

Resilience: Expected, though they should include the second dwarf set for warriors. Normal armour is, well... Normal. It's cheap.

Devotion: I really didn't expect it to customise mini pets, but that's because I expected it to be account based, not character based. But I can't really think of any other way to keep it character based without making this monument a joke (well, more of a joke than the rest of the HoM).

It really should have been account based.

Ferret · Sep 11, 2007, 09:03 AM // 09:03

/signed...so much needs to be done.

I'd really love to be able to 'pick' which heroes i have showing on the Fellowship area.

Peace,

Ferret

Onarik Amrak · Sep 11, 2007, 12:55 PM // 12:55

Huge blocks of bold text makes my eyes hurt.

/notread